Tokai Springy Sound St80 + above stock pickups from the 80s [ Goto page: 1, 2] 19. Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index-> Vintage. I asked Tokai about the numbers stamped in the neck pocket and pick-up cavities and was told. I played a tokai springy sound of some thing. Fender Jazz Bass. TOKAI JAZZ BASS SOUND RI '64. Tokai 'vintage '64 reissue Japan'. Keeps all original.

4) The DiMarzio manufactured pickups, stamped with an E were fitted to their high end models ST60 and above. Hope this helps.

I found that most Tokais have the logo mounted in a different manner than modern Fenders. The logos are also among the first things to get aged on Tokais for some reason. OK, then thanks for the use of your piccy! I must admit, it's the only 'Jazz Sound' logo that I've ever seen where it has been cut and put on in two parts.

So, is it likely that mine was a higher end model (not a 45 or 50), as it defintitley has a nitro lacquered. What makes you sure to have nitro lacquered body?

The '60s style instruments also displayed neckplates with serial no's starting with an 'L' just like the Fender L series. Italy professional dust eater Mar 30th, 2007 08:59 AM I noticed that the J clone sports arched fingerboards. What a finesse! / / Reply to this Topic Display my email address Your Message: Link Address (URL): Link Title: Moderators: FDP, LLC Privacy Policy: Your real name, username, and email are held in confidence and not disclosed to any third parties, sold, or used for anything other than FDP Forum registration unless you specifically authorize disclosure. Copyright © 1999-2018 Fender Discussion Page, LLC All Rights Reserved.

It’s really a matter of preference and budget after this setup. Your the one playing the guitar with strings from 7’s to 14’s you’ll have the final say and judge what to keep and how much to spend on the next guitar. What ever happens, have fun and keep playing your heart out. I have a 748 deluxe I think as it never had the proper truss rod cover. It’s a heavy pig with a set neck open book Gibson headstock with the old Hondo logo, and apon further dissection I found that this one appears to be sandwiched with 2, 3/4 inch layers and only a quarter inch cap. The music store owner had it as a personal player and claimed it would go toe to toe with a gibby any day and this baby sings sweet but the build is not that of a Gibson with those stats. Would like to hear other comments about the earlier ones.

Fine with me. I like pre-dinged guitars. I have an old Tokai Goldstar from the 80's. It's a TST55 model, and it's a replica of a '57 Strat. Tokai used the Fender serial numbering system on the 80's replicas to denote which particular year they were cloning. For example, the L numbered neckplates would be 60's replicas. The actual Tokai model numbers equated to their original retail price in the 80's.

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Came with grey-bottom pickups like in the Tokai’s. Made in japan. Other than a slightly thinner neck, this is a fender-beater from that era. Fenders (and esp. Gibsons) were resting on their laurels until the japanese invasion camelots of crap, but lots of stunners as well.

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The highest number I recall seeing is 60, maybe others know a bit more than me. One Drop Contributing Member ** Swiss Alps Sound and Pressure Feb 18th, 2007 11:23 AM Is that a feature of modern Tokais, J-boy? Mine has no number I can see. Those are wild looking basses in your link.

The headstock shape looks good (very Fender) and there are four small divots drilled out underneath each tuner, just like Fender Jazzes of the mid-1960s. The tuners themselves are 4-hole mount models and are very much like late '60s Fender ones (without the Fender stamp, obviously). Nice as they are, they are not the same as the (frankly rather shoddy), 3-hole mount Tokai ones, which I've seen on most other '80s basses.

I'm really loving this bass, and am getting used to the neck. The profile is very rounded, which I like better than the flatter ones on a wide neck like this. Guymanndude1, if you're out there, my answer to your original question is: Yes (This message was last edited by One Drop at 02:28 PM, Feb 17th, 2007) bass geezer Contributing Member Bleed All Over 'Em.Let 'Em Know You're There!

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Both were new companies producing small numbers of guitars and racing to keep up with the demand. There would often be quite noticeable differences in what the same models of guitar were fitted with from year to year according to what was available from the component manufacturers. Most Tokai hardware is made by Gotoh. If Tokai specified Gotoh's 'Tuner, Mk1, Bass guitar for the use of' for example then Gotoh subtly changed the specification but kept the same part number that could explain the difference in the shape of the base plate?

Having spent a few hours playing it, I have to say that it's pretty good - not stunning, not exactly like a good mid-60s Fender Jazz (it's got no 'bark'), but still. When plugged into my Sadowsky outboard pre-amp, it really came alive and, IMHO, sounds far better than the two Sadowsky basses (with built-in pre-amps), which I recently owned.

Great basses in great finishes(some kind of thin urethane)with toneful pickups that metered low but had sound. One Drop Contributing Member ** Swiss Alps Sound and Pressure Feb 19th, 2007 05:47 AM Thanks for the info, USK.

Mine is mint, Oly White, and cost me $550, which is the higher end of what they go for these days, I think. I'll post a review when I get it. Eb2jim usa boom Feb 12th, 2007 03:02 PM They were cheaper than the Fender RI basses, but not by that much. I recall they came out round the same time as them, and the headstock shape changed fairly early. They made fun Gibson copies too. They had tweed covered cases and champ sized amps but the tweed was yellow and cheesey looking. They made nice copies that were more accurate than previous things like Ibanez, but not as close at what Fender got in the shops.

[quote name='3below' timestamp=' post='2751714'] Highly rated in the 80s at the time. [/quote] You know, I remember in the 80's a lot of people (wrongly) treated them as second rate to Fender, same as a lot of other Japcrap. TBH, I think Tokais as well as Grecos are now more highly regarded than back then IMHO. Edited April 19, 2015 by nick.

Told me it appears the one I have is not a regular production model. He said he`d try to find more info, but I didn`t expect a company president to waste much time on that. Never heard more. Not a problem as I love the guitar, but mine has considerably more wear than yours.

I have also seen '40' on a lot of instruments. J-Boy Contributing Member * Australia Where is it, where is the Thump-Thump? Feb 18th, 2007 02:46 PM Cool, A site on Japanese Manufacturers. If I turn my moniter upside down and drink 6 beers I can start to make a few words out. Uncle stack-knob Contributing Member united kingdom nil illigitium carborundum Feb 18th, 2007 05:07 PM In the mid eighties some of the Tokai's were so close to original Fender that the lawsuit tag arose. I recall the J-basses,many in vintage colours with matching stocks,and some with very playable rounded in necks and great looking 'bursts and tort guards.Other than the very very early ones the tuners were different in having the two piece key shaft in effect. Some Jazz basses started to sport a P-Bass style pickup in the neck position by around 1986 I think it was.

I'd say your bass is worth a good few bob more than you paid, so if you do change it, don't do anything you can't change back one day! Jon.[/quote] Yeah.that's why I bought it.the guy who owned it seemed to need the cash pronto and left it to his daughter to sell. It finished on a Tuesday night about 6.30 pm or something like that. I had checked recent sales on e bay and a Tokai Jazz had just sold at £280.Was pretty pleased at getting it for £135.not so pleased at the wrapping.Only damage,1 bent machine head. Edited May 8, 2011 by theplumber. [quote name='chriswilliams666' post='1223957' date='May 8 2011, 10:44 AM']I almost sold my MIJ 80s Jazz Special after purchasing a new Duff McKagan Model (reissue Jazz Special) I had it in my head that because the original has a sawdust/mdf/mish-mash body that it wouldn't sound good or whatever. However it sounds great and is still my main bass, and sounds better than my Duff Bass with the Alder body.

The Love Rocks and similar are prone to fakery, but I guess the bass market isn't big enough to make it worth the counterfeiter's while. The Made In Japan sticker looks genuine as you say. The sticker above with the 'Model number' is the original price in Yen x 1,000.

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I'm guessing mine might be from the 80's aswell. It's hard to find enough info online i think i've been surfing a bit about it.

The neck plate is also original. That's probably a tokai factory mistake, as it normally goes with the mapple neck model, and never with the jazz model! But, i already had a mapple neck goldstar sound with a 'L' serial. As it isn't a real serial number, tokai didn't care about it. So, enjoy your tokai bass!

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Plays fine and looks nice.wondering what it's worth on eBAY.? Having a look at Advanced Search/Completed Items used to give the serious sleuths about 6 months of data.

I rarely lend my voice to bumping: sometimes there are tacit omissions of detail that are left out so as to suggest to the unwary they are getting a good deal whereas in fact they are not. This is most definitely the reverse: (I have no vested interest or relationship with the seller, it must be said!) I played one of these a month ago and was totally unsurprised when it was snapped up for a mere £450. To see this bass going for £285.my goodness, like Dan above I can scarcely believe what an excellent deal this is.

There is no master list to correlate to a model number, This particular style serial number will either be on the neck plate or right into the back of the headstock. It consists of a letter, A - L, followed by a 6 digit number. The letter stands for the month, A for January etc., the first 2 digits will be the year, 76 is 1976, 96 is 1996, the last 4 digits will be the consecutive production number for that months production, 1356 would be the 1356th guitar produced that month. This form of serial numbering is still used today on guitars where the number is impressed into the back of the headstock. A761356 - The 1356th guitar produced in January '76, hope that helps Jul 21, 2015 .

8^) One Drop Contributing Member ** Swiss Alps Sound and Pressure Feb 18th, 2007 03:52 AM I thought it might be nitro because of the way it sunk into the grain, but I'm not sure at all. It's not an issue at all for me, anyway, I was just curious. They definitely play well, based on this one and the other one I tried a few weeks ago, which was what turned me on to these in the first place. From what I've heard the factory they were made in at the time was doing great work, so maybe there is less of a crapshoot in buying one. J-Boy Contributing Member * Australia Where is it, where is the Thump-Thump? Feb 18th, 2007 07:29 AM Wowwee. No affiliation what so ever J-Boy Contributing Member * Australia Where is it, where is the Thump-Thump?

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I have just made two very encouraging discoveries, right here on our own boards, which lead me to believe that some, or all, of my bass is genuine Tokai! Firstly, the ' Made in Japan' sticker on the back of my bass's neck is identical to this one, found on a late '80s Hard Puncher 60: Also, there was a thread here about a set of '86 Tokai Jazz Sound pickups, and whilst nobody actually answered the OP, his pickups (below) are identical to mine: So, that's all I've found so far, but it looks encouraging.

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This thing looks like it just came off the line, not a scratch on it! Maybe ' sneaky' could compare notes, does your '84 Tokai have this type of serial number? Yes mine has the same markings on the neck plate. On the gray base of the pick-ups there is a U stamped in black. I asked Tokai about the numbers stamped in the neck pocket and pick-up cavities and was told they are internal codes no relation to production dates. Finally I sent them pics of the headstock, because there is no familiar model names on it, like you see at the Tokai registry, and the guy who answered. And I later found out he is the president.

Kanda Shokai undertook to cease manufacture of Greco copies as a condition of getting the Fender contract, so it's quite possible that this is what happened to the final Greco production run.[/quote] It's often suggested that, as part of the original 'Fender Japan' deal, Fender bought up the existing stock of Fujigen manufactured replica bodies and necks. Fender had no copyrights and/or patents registrations to rely on that could have prevented production of replicas by Japanese factories. Seems unrealistic to think that, having had to purchase significant numbers of parts, Fender didn't then use these for manufacturing purposes.

Is aluminium a tone metal? J-Boy Contributing Member * Australia Where is it, where is the Thump-Thump? Feb 18th, 2007 02:43 PM Hmmm.not too sure One Drop. Im inclined to think now the numbers come from the vintage territory. This picture seems to fit.

The only downside is the Tokai 'post lawsuit' headstock,which spoils it a bit for me. I played it a few times in the house through my practise amp and although it looked great,felt really well made,with a very nice slim jazz bass neck,it wasn't a patch on my long gone 80's Tokai Jazz Sound.

If it does turn out to be genuine, I look forward to a long and happy stay on this forum. If it's a dud though, you might well never see me again.

The control plate is very rusty and therefore of dubious quality, but then I have seen early Tokai ones starting to show signs of rust, so again, this doesn't rule out the possibility of it being original. What do you guys think? In Conclusion: I plan to clean up the bass, put it back together with new strings on and give it a good 'road test'. If it plays OK and sounds (acoustically) as good as I'm expecting it to, I may just keep it and use it anyway. But, I did pay for an original Tokai and if we can be sure that it's not a Tokai (particularly if it turns out that it sounds crap), then I may yet decide to try and get my money back from the seller (not always easy with eBay). So, I really need as much quality input as I can get on this one, please folks. If anyone can post pictures of similarities between my bass and theirs, it would be very reassuring, but equally I need to know the truth - so there's anything that clearly labels it as fake, I have to know about it.

Every fret play easily and cleanly, the tone is unbelievable. I have a ton of Gibson and fender guitars to compare this with and the only difference after a fret sand is the guitar mfg’s name. The guitar wood, pickups makes no difference, if a guitar is poorly made it won’t sound right or ring. You’ll simply need to Fret sand, shape crown and polish the frets. Lastly check out wiring 50’s or 80″s wiring style, cap values for tone you like. Set up the action and you’ll have a low action playing guitar just like the real thing.

The tuners are genuine, you can see the same on the pre-1983 Hardpuncher PB60 and above model. There aren't like the 3 screws cheaper type that you can find on the 48-50 model. The neck plate is also original. That's probably a tokai factory mistake, as it normally goes with the mapple neck model, and never with the jazz model! But, i already had a mapple neck goldstar sound with a 'L' serial.

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1) Ceramic with bar magnet, fitted to the ST40. 2) Grey fibre bobbin stamped V or V1, fitted to the 50's replicas made in the 80's. 3) Grey fibre bobbin stamped U fitted to the 60's replicas made in the 80's and the earlier Springy Sound models.

I have read that Japanese Fenders are again being sourced from Fujigen but I don't know if that's confirmed. Anecdotally, Fujigen was chosen to make MIJ Fenders based on the replica-level quality of the Greco-branded Fender copies they produced - it's no coincidence that Fender Japan is operated by Kanda Shokai, who own the Greco brand. In fact it's also rumoured that the first production run of MIJ Fenders actually began production as Grecos! Kanda Shokai undertook to cease manufacture of Greco copies as a condition of getting the Fender contract, so it's quite possible that this is what happened to the final Greco production run. [quote name='Bassassin' post='1224322' date='May 8 2011, 05:07 PM']Anecdotally, Fujigen was chosen to make MIJ Fenders based on the replica-level quality of the Greco-branded Fender copies they produced - it's no coincidence that Fender Japan is operated by Kanda Shokai, who own the Greco brand. In fact it's also rumoured that the first production run of MIJ Fenders actually began production as Grecos!